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Forgot to say about 4 metres long! lol told you it was hap-hazard.

PS - yes the mower does go down the edge, for all you who are wondering whether I have left enough room - I am not that hap-hazard !!!! lol :>))))))))) My other half first comment was ' Can you get the mower down the side' Notice the emphansis was on the YOU!! Bless him and I DO! He nearly had the spade on his head. I had just hit a tree root and it is not going to be as easy as first thought. Pick axe will be required. Ah well it will keep me quiet for a while. Had to pack in digging cos ankle is too sore to do any more last night, will try again today.

You take care....can't you get Sam and Gareth on the job?....sorry, stupid me!! It looks a bit shady Mum...is it? Just thinking about those day lilies.....You could have some supports in it for some taller roses and then put the lilies around....

Ok one vote for mixed border there then. It is shady first off but full sun by about 11 o'clock time. As for Sam and Gareth there too busy snoring or eating or shopping or film watching. What a life eh! but I suppose if you can get away with it (as they do) you should make hay while the sun shines. Bless, Sam will have no time for anything but study shortly, she went on her first introduction day for her GTP only 9 places were given out of 400 applicants, what a clever girl to get her place on that at her age. She had a brill day. Was so enthusiastic when she came home. Tired but happy bunny. The friend she met on her interview day also got in think she was a couple of years older than Sam more Sarah's age group, went to same school as they did. So she had a friendly face to natter with. Now its hard work from here in.

roses much prettier than grass !

I agree with you Elsiemay most definitely, but day lillies are better than grass also, so you can see I have a bit of a quandary, I like them both, will have to think long and hard unless anyone can persuade me one way or the other.;

If you have roses you can grow clems too. Clems not so good with daylilies!

Now come on Karen Sue, make your mind up! lol you and your clematis! you have got enough commission now.

To be honest I'm not a great fan of the daylilies. They are very pretty flowers....some of them....but the leaves....they are so big and they take up so much room! I do have three or four, but I'm not really in to them!

Karen think it is going to be two climbers at the widest point, ordinary roses in the main part and probably hardy geraniums (got hooked on them) around the edges or maybe even a couple of ground/low growing clematis, not so sure about the latter as it is quite a sheltered/shady area

Well, I don't know Mum...'ordinary' roses....what, you mean roses that aren't very special, like....dull roses? lol! Sounds great! My low growing clems are all in amongst shrubs so they are fairly shaded....still flower though!

Meant bush roses only pretty ones allowed - smelly ones are absolutely a must and thats good to hear that clems grow well in the shadey areas cos I am really considering them, give me some names of clems to put in between roses, I will have a look and see what I think.

If you go on my garden page and have a look. Clems start on page 1 and go well into page 2 I think. You want to look for the Integrifolias, but also some of the lower growing large flowering ones. They all have height details beside them. I will find out some names too...ones that tolerate shade. Harlow Carr is a must and Fujimusume too, although it might get a bit taller, and it might be a bit too blue for you. Integrifolia Rosea is a beauty as well.....oh gosh there are so many!

Will look tomorrow karen, just finished watering, no rain AGAIN!