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By Taurman

Cork, Ireland Ie

Hi Folks.
Have a query re planting a shelter belt in clay water logged soil with lots wind exposure obviously. I am designing a belt to protect a potential green house or polytunnel so need it to grow this year and hopefully install greenhouse/tunnel in spring 2016. Advised to build raised area to take the plants (Laurel and Salix) I am using out of the clay water logged soil. Intend to use them as sacrificial plants as will plant a row of conifers in their shade which will be my eventual wind barrier.
Have I got the following procedure right for raised planting bed? Dig the ground to spade depth, turn over add lots of farmyard manure, then on top of thi and just above ground level add good quality soil which I will bring in with lots organic matter and some grit to a height of 12 inches. Plant the laurel and Salix into the raised area and apply weed barrier around the new plants. I intend to leave the raised planting bed wide enough to add in the conifers this fall when they will benefit the shade provided by the windbreak. Please feel free to comment or suggest alternative, or less labour intensive ideas as soil is murder at the moment at least. Thanks in advance.




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How big an area is the garden? You could improve drainage by digging some pits (say five) of a few spade depths wide and deep. Fill that with gravel and cover the top back over with top soil/lawn.

4 Feb, 2015

 

its membrane then the trees

4 Feb, 2015

 

Thanks both, the gravel pits is new to me but is logical and an idea for the future. I'm befuddled as had the top soil laid last autumn and had drains laid all over the place so not sure if they are not working or alternatively a local gardener suggested my soil, which was laid by a digger has been overly compacted. I did have to dig down a few feet last week for another reason and after the first 18 inches of putty like clay, I hit the subsoil strata which is locally known as 'pencil' as is common tothe area which I think is shale type deposit and it was dry.

4 Feb, 2015

 

if you can dig holes down to the pencil and put gravel in that then your topsoil it will make great drainage .

4 Feb, 2015

 

thanks, will probably do at some point or better still get someone to do it for me!

4 Feb, 2015

 

Hi, I wouldn't bother too much about drainage for the salix, they are sometimes planted in wet areas to help soak up the excess water, Derek.

4 Feb, 2015

 

Yes Derek, see them growing locally and they thrive, the bush type but the garden centre told me I can train them to the shape I need for the shelter belt as don't want them too bushy as will be in lawn. Was thinking of using the Salix as protection for the Laurel as it suffers from wind burn up here in the first year.

4 Feb, 2015

 

Can't help thinking that you are creating a lot of work for yourself! Quite apart from the moneypit that you seem to be digging, digging holes in clay just creates a sump where water will collect and rot the roots of anything you put in there.
Now is not the time of year to be digging in clay (but you're finding that out). Better to spend the late-spring, summer and autumn improving the soil, to plant up bare root hedging in October/November or even the following spring.
Take a look at http://www.ashridgetrees.co.uk/blog/hedging-yew-hedging-in-clay-this-time/

5 Feb, 2015

 

Cheers Urbanite, have been on this website ages ago and remember the labour saving advice which is more and more attractive as my back ache reappears. BW

5 Feb, 2015

 

but the clay goes threw too a dry pouress pencil ie shale which is great for drainage by the sounds of it .

5 Feb, 2015

 

Builders digging out the 'footings' for new houses usually wreck the garden soil. I have 7 raised beds on clay top soil filled with what I have rotted down in compost bins,
umpteen Growbags, and old potting soil.
Quite surprised at the success of vegetable crops last year.
Must get more grit and add, as you advise.
I obtained some plastic and stapled it inside the woodwork to stop it rotting.
I find crops that need staking suffer from high winds. Am
growing French Beans this year, not climbers.
Anyway, raised beds are warmer than clay soil !

5 Feb, 2015

 

Yes they are warmer and give you more control so long as you attend to their watering needs. I have researched raised beds last year and there is lots of good advice on the web to help with the practicalities I ma intending to have the flower beds elevated and maybe bounded by a low stone wall which will be in keeping with local style but I could not be bothered to do vegetable beds in this clay as raised beds would be ideal for the amount I would grow.

5 Feb, 2015

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