Can't find anything on this for the UK - there's a mention regarding commercial crops, but even that doesn't seem to be suggesting anyone's using it here.

Hope its been well tested - don't want it liquifying the good chaps.

Try B. amyloliquefaciens and you will get the info you need or rather search this way.....B. amyloliquefaciens uses in agriculture/horticulture.

Beneficial bacteria is plentiful by the millions in just a teaspoon of average garden soil. I wonder if this would offset the natural balance of microbes in the soil. Tugbrethil, what exactly would this be used for?

That's what I meant. It sounds risky to me.

Thanks Loosestrife - found loads of stuff... already being used in agriculture as growth promoter and biocontrol agent, by the looks of it, very interesting...

Oops! I obviously forgot part of the name already! Ah, well, as a friend says, "I'll be perfect tomorrow!" He then reminds me that tomorrow never comes. :D
Thank you, Loosestrife, for the reminder. :)
In addition to what I can get from the company that bottles it--which is, essentially, "It's wonderful!! It's beautiful!! Buy it!!"--I would like to hear any testimonials/suggestions/warnings that my gardening friends have about their experience with it.
Bathgate and Stera, that is one of my primary concerns, too. Most of the literature that I have found, which I am still grinding through, seems to pertain to hydroponic applications. I'll admit that hydroponic experiments are much easier to quantify, but since this is being marketed to the average home gardener, I'd like a little more info on the results of the kinds of uses we will put it to. Here, that will include drenching the soil to prevent root diseases, including Fusarium wilt, and spraying the foliage to stop things like powdery mildew, anthracnose, etc.
Any info is welcome!

its not on sale to amateurs here at all, Tug, but it seems to me it might be very useful for curcubits as a fungal treatment - the only study I could find as to effects in the environment was on earthworms, on which it made no apparent impact. There may be more studies, but I didn't find them...

I always view myself tug as a perfect imperfection.

Good news about the earthworms, Bamboo! If the 'worms are good, it usually means that the soil is good, since they are dependent on a healthy soil flora.
Loosestrife, we are all perfectly human--flaws, foibles, glories, goofs, and all!

'perfect imperfection', what a brilliant phrase, an apt description of life and human beings...

Fascinating. I often wonder as I water in my nemaslug, and also as I dust new rose roots with micrrorhizal funghi...is this not just another way of disrupting the natural balance of the soil? If we start adding 'good' bacteria in to the environment isn't that similar....I am no scientist, obviously. Just a thought.

Oh I dunno, Cottagekaren - sometimes a particular bacterium can overgrow in the human body, and sometimes changing the 'growing' conditions by using, for instance, something that changes the ph balance in a common conditon that affects women, or even adding different bacteria into the gut (in C. diff for instance) rights the balance and stops the overgrowth. Same thing must apply with other life forms in other growing conditions, though its a bit of an imprecise therapy to a degree.

The " balance of nature " theory though widely held for the longest time has been discredited. Along with that, the negative concept of human intervention has been changing too. With regards to the little ecosystems of our gardens and flowerpots and even our own bodies I see the easily understood and beautiful concept of "balance" is still of some value.

I'm afraid that our present population levels--which have no easy cure, as communist China has found--are forcing us into "managing" our environment. Also, in my own home town, the natural soil is fine for growing cacti and Creosote Bush, but needs quite a bit of alteration to grow vegetables and roses well.
Since that Bacillus seems to only be available in the U.S., it would nice if members from here that have used it would respond. Should I re-ask the question, with that emphasis?

There is a garden product sold in the USA that uses strain D747 of B. amylo... Since you are considering selling this product you have the name of the company producing and packaging it and also the name under which this is sold on the retail market. I would suggest first placing the "retail name-product reviews" in the search and see what you turn up with that independently or simply inquire again of the wholesaler for any verifyable customer review feedback (of course their own review is optimistically biased as you have mentioned) which they might have. In the GOY USA pond I don't think that there are that many fish to catch which would give you the information in the numbers required to make an informed sales decision. In addition inquire of their sales volume and the number of retailers they supply to selling this item as well as the effort they are making to advertise this product for no one will be walking in to buy it if they dont know about it.

Yes, I bet there are loads of USA gardening groups on Facebook. It might be worth having a look for them...you'll get a better response.

Surprisingly few product reviews on this product are available, Loosestrife. It may be even newer than I thought.
The last time that I forayed onto Facebook, Karen, my email filled up with junk and spam, so I'm not keen to try that again.
I've pretty much decided to try it, since what little info I can find is positive. I guess that I'll have to write my own reviews. Wish me luck--neonicotinoids were so promising, when they first came out! :/

It's a given there's a price for everything; the trick is first, to work out what the price is, and then, whether its one worth paying... in other words, do the benefits outweigh the problems...fingers crossed they do!

Best to buy a small amount retail and see how your customers empty the shelf they are stocked on. Then if the turnover is good you can take a chance on purchasing bulk wholesale. Good Luck!

Well, I will be getting it from a distributor, so I can just order it a case at a time, along with my regular order, so that was my plan. A case of the ready to use, and a case of the concentrate. It has worked out better than my predecessor, who ordered new products by the pallet!

What use are you intending selling it forTug?
And incidentally, I'm totally with you regarding Faceache (otherwise known as Facebook...), to be avoided wherever possible!

This time of year, primarily powdery mildew, especially on roses. I'm also hoping that it will also be effective on a local Phytopthora that attacks Petunias in the winter, and Madagascar Periwinkle (Catharanthus roseus) in the summer. From what I'm reading, it should also work on fireblight, which occasionally attacks our "Evergreen" Pears (Pyrus kawakamii). Other uses as I discover them.

Said to work on downy mildew on curcubits too...

A rare problem here, but a possibility. My cloud nine hopes: preventative or cure for Verticillium and Fusarium wilts, and Texas root rot (Phymatotrichopsis omnivorum). Well, we'll see.

If you're trying it out yourself, Tug, a progress report would be great;-))

I'll definitely do that. Hopefully, I'll know about the powdery mildew on roses in a month or two. Other info may be longer in coming.

Regardless of the outcome, one thing will always hold true, and that is...

Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday or

yesterday s tomorrow is TODAY

If you worry too much about tomorrow, you are robbing yourself of what could happen today.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING GOY!

Happy Thanksgiving, all!

Ah yes, thanksgiving - I heard Obama's forgiveness of a turkey today (funny!) but of course, we don't have this celebration. Even so, Happy Thanksgiving to you guys that do...

Our Thanksgiving originated from your end of season harvest festivals only we in the USA threw in some turkeys, Native Americans and local folklore into the pot. Thank You Bambo from the flagship GOY and of course to all the USA GOY members Happy Thanksgiving!