the first is a teasel. it will flower next year. the second looks like an herbaceaous clematis but may be wrong.

Thanks so much!.. it makes sense as I was given a teasel last year, I obviously scattered the seeds willy nilly - Doh!
Regarding the climber can you tell me what 'herbaceous' means in this context.?
Thanks again for prompt reply,
Queenie

Hi Queenie the pretty plants with lovely flowers I'm quite sure are PELARGONIUMS, Icant quite tell if they are white or a pale pink,I have some to hope this helps you,

I thought the first plant is a primrose/ primmular, not to sure . what colour flowers appear,?

Teddygirl, I'm sorry but I have to disagree with both your ID's. The first one is a teazel, the very bumpy leaves in the rosette are absolutely typical - and it will flower next year. The second one is not any kind of pelargonium. The leaves at the bottom of the picture prove it as far as I'm concerned - they look like clematis leaves. I'm sure SBG is correct on both counts.

the herbaceaous clematis are not vigourous climbers. Mine grows about 3ft tall then dies down over winter like a typical perennial flower. regrows wider and so on year on year. Not one hundred percent on this id though.
the pretty pink flower looks like an erodium. [memeber of the geranium group]

Sbg, the leaves on the pink flower in the first picture are the wrong shape for an Erodium, which all have pinnately divided leaves, but they are the right shape for a true Geranium, though I don't know which kind.
Queenie, I also vote for a Clematis in the second picture. Though I'm far from an expert--they don't even grow well here--The structure is very evocative of some of the wild species: four "tepals", and innumerable stamens, or possibly styles.

Teasel and small Geranium of the endressii type. Clematis of the herbaceous type. (And by the way some herbaceous clems are far from small plants. C.x jouineana praecox will reach over 12 feet in a season fron nothing over winter.)

So sorry to confuse you all, in the first pic the 'mystery' plant turned out to be a teasel. Thanks for that info. The pink flowers next to it is in fact a geranium... no mystery there, but it's not attached to the jolly green giant! Entirely my fault for including it in the picture.

Thanks too to Owdboggy.. for info on clems which I had no idea about... so these are not climbers then?,,, sure they don't have any 'clingers' - so is that what makes them herbaceous then?
Learning something every day... Love that in gardening...
Thanks all, far and wide..
Q

be warned though the teasel will grow very tall.But the bees love them
My brother has them in his garden

Herbaceous Clematis do not climb. What makes them herbaceous is that they die down to the ground every Winter and start again in Spring. So all the growth you see is new every year. There are a few types, the most common is C.integrifolia which comes in various types. Then there is C. heraclifolia, again in different forms and C. x jouineana. There is C. stans and C. recta and C. r purpurea too. I think from the flower that your may well be in the x jouineana area.