Does anyone know what this is called

This looks like Rudbeckia too but the leaves aren't consistent with them, they look too round.

I wonder what others think ?

I think its a plant called ligularia

That's it !
I could NOT think of this name !

I think at this time of year its a Rudbeckia fulgida suffering from draught and if it is, this perennial plant is hardy, likes most soils, and sun or shade needs water.
I too thought ligularia perhaps greynog? but thats an early flowerer?

It's Ligularia Dentata - maybe 'Desdemona#.

Yes Wagger just seen a picture of it. I thought it was growing throught the leaves but its part of it.

It likes damp conditions...by a pond or stream, or in a bog garden.