They always come from below the graft point. That could be slightly above the ground if the rose was not planted deeply. Anything which does come from the roots is a sucker, otherwise you have to trace it back to the point of origin to see if it is wanted or unwanted.

Thanks Owdboggy. I do get educated on this site.

Also they need to be removed with a little of the old root, or the stem as any part left can and will grow even more vigorously.

Understood my friend.

wild rose,s and sucker,s have 7 leaves , normal rose,s have 5, to the best of my knlowedge

There are some clever people on here.