By Kelvin321
United Kingdom
Composting for heat! problems
Hi and thanks for reading
Although I can see the advantages of home composting for the garden this is not the main reason for my composting attempt? I am after the heat it can produce but I am having problems?
I have a 15ft x 3ft swimming pool housed in a ‘shed’ (shed is the simplest way of describing it) with a plastic roof. I stopped using the electric heater 4 years ago because of the expense and I have been relying on a solar system to heat the water. This solar system relies solely on direct sun but has we all know, north of the south east of England over the last few years have, shall we say, not seen a lot of sun and therefore our swimming season has been limited to June/July.
So I have read up on composting for heat and given it a try. I have a fare sized garden with lawn, shrubs and trees so including the scraps I have plenty to fill a 400lt compost bin (aprox 1x1x1m), I coiled a hose pipe inside and filled it following the guideline that I have read. Initially the centre of the pile became warm with the outside of the pile becoming wet – this lasted for about 2 days and stopped. I turned the pile with no joy! After trying various ‘tips’ (peeing in it, dog biscuits etc) last week I removed the pipe, turned it again to see if the pipe was causing it not to work i.e. heat up – 5 days latter the centre is warmer and that’s about it. I am continuing to add scraps and I would guess the ratio is about 50:50.
Any suggestions
Kelvin
- 3 Nov, 2010
Answers
you dont give the width of your pool, assuming the 15x3 is length & depth. You are dealing with thousands of gallons of water to warm up so in order to get the required amount of heat from compost would require a pretty hefty sized container way beyond the 400 litre size you mention.
Subterranean systems are used for such projects.
3 Nov, 2010
I suspect one of those ground heat systems would be much more effective.
3 Nov, 2010
thanks each
I have considered the size issue but not the idea of a subterranean system. More info or a link would be apreciated.
Kelvin
PS 15ft Diameter
3 Nov, 2010
I don't have a link, but what I'm thinking of is one of those ground heat exchangers they use in eco houses when they build them - they're usually buried pretty deep and feed back into underfloor heating systems, so not sure whether you could find one that would serve your purpose. Nor how expensive a solution it would be to fit, come to that.
3 Nov, 2010
Your question reminded me of the pineapple pit at Heligan Gardens in Cornwall. They grow pinepples in a mostly underground sort of greenhouse that is heated by decomposing horse manure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineapple_pit
I believe that they can't keep using manure for this as they run / ran out of suitable manure and it takes a huge amount of manual labour to keep it running, so later crops have been produced using electricity for heat.
This article describes the mixture used to produce maximum heat -
http://www.heligan.com/press-releases/press-release/pineapples-emerge-at-the-lost-gardens-of-heligan/
3 Nov, 2010
Ice energy ground source heat pump link is.....
http://www.iceenergy.co.uk/
3 Nov, 2010
My idea was to keep the costs down, 4 years ago it was costing >£400 per year to keep it warm (25/26 deg) between may and sept and that was E7, but then again at least we were using the pool. The cost of a ground pump system would/could be in the same region per year not inclueding the setup! Not too bad though if you are heating your house.
The size of my garden isn't bad but nowhere near large enough to support enough horses to produce 30 tons. Just think how many tennis balls of the stuff that is?
I am now planning how to increase the size of the bin and how to pump air through to avoid too much turning. I am also considering putting a water resovoir in the centre about the size of a football but as yet the mechanics are aluding me!
Kelvin
3 Nov, 2010
Sorry to be a wet blanket, Kelvin, but I just don't think it's feasible to get a significant amount of heat out of compost to heat up such a large volume of water. How about passive solar heating?
3 Nov, 2010
good luck to you Kelvin, I admire the inventive 'Heath Robinson' spirit. Been there a thousand times & now & again something works eh?
4 Nov, 2010
Don't forget it is not from a zero start point, I have just checked and it's 15 Deg c and that is basically as a result of a passive solar system which is seperate from what will be the compost system, they would work in tandom. Last week it was cold but with sunshine and the pool raised 2 deg. A warm 23 with no sun is of little use to the system.
Heath Robinson's got nothing on me. +5 deg now would just make it swimable
Thank you for your input
Kelvin
4 Nov, 2010
Previous question
Given the purpose you're using it for (heat production) you probably need a composter twice the size of the one you have - 3 feet square is the minimum size for a 'hot' compost heap, and twice that is better. It'll need turning at least twice a week, and if its still not hot enough, a source of nitrogen added periodically - whether that's from greens or urine is up to you. Heap should be moist, but not sodden, open to the ground at the base, and covered to retain heat. Using this method, any material in the heap should be ready for use on the garden within 3 months, maybe a bit longer in the winter, so that means you'd need to build another heap once that stage is reached.
3 Nov, 2010