Helenium Ruby Tuesday

that's what we had - see the hoverflies like it too ~:) sneezeweed :D Love them look a treat

This one didn't survive the winter of 09, so it certainly wouldn't have survived last winter which was worse. I agree with you they're lovely. Type in your search engine "special perennials" they have the national collection, some lovely ones there!

thanks will check that out :):):)