Hi, I think that most, if not all, ramblers are thorny, and when they get established, will deter any intruders, Derek.

Maigold is a good thorny one and a reliable early bloomer. I think it is a climber rather than a rambler but mine has covered quite a large area and has the advantage of a second flush.

Climbing Cecile Brunner grows just like a rambler, and she is vicious!

Rose Excelsa (Red Dorothy Perkins) rampant old rambler, flowers summer to Autumn reaches 8ft, small double with crimson pink blooms. None fragrant though, it is very thorny and a very fast grower.

If she has enough room it might be worth planting two - one early, one late-flowering. My Felicite et Perpetue has a nasty bite and Albertine is savage! some of the rose grower websites will let you select by thornyness (take a look at classicroses.co.uk - but other suppliers may do this as well)

In my opinion, nothing more 'savage' as said above, then Albertine.

And berberis below even pyracantha to catch the perrishers, the birds love the berries too.......

Melchisedec has reminded me about Cecile Brunner, which I planted last spring and it is already rampant and doing it's best to cover trellis, shed and pergola! Pretty little flowers though!

Hi Guys

Great suggestions

Thanks

i will up date as she is buying then very soon she has been waiting on me !

Gg

Hi All

she found this very interesting and a bit spooky as her grandmother is called "Cecile" so that is a must have .

Loves the idea of growing two as well to flower at different times.

Sends her thanks as well

Gg

I have New Dawn [my avatar picture] and it is as thorny as thorny things can be. as I am only to aware when I have to prune the thing.

It depends how much she will need to control it. In general, climbers are easier to control than ramblers and have the advantage of a second flush. You could also look up the roses she fancies on the web or there are many rose catalogues available from different growers which will give her an idea of colours to put together. Cecile Brunner has a small 'buttonhole' rose with a pink bud turning a creamy colour as it opens. It blooms profusely.

Hi Penny

Thanks

Gg