rose intruder removed

The yellow rose is lovely Fran. The tall thin plant looks even more like a mahonia now. Glad you put it in a nice big pot. Gives you time to decide what to do with it. Green bin or keep and plant elsewhere! The blue geraniums look nice.....pretty colour.

I do like the yellow rose Fran. I thought your seedling was a sucker from the rose but I'm not good at roses Fran. I hope it survives for you now. Just keep on top of the watering.

I think the same, Scottish. It looks like sucker.

thanks Dorjac and Scottish and Katerina.

I can get a bit closer to the rose now - lots of blooms, even more buds on the way. I rememebred to check - it does have a slight scent, which should be more evident when more blooms show.

Luckily I thought to put the pot ona wheeled sacuer before I started planting it, would'nt have fancied lifting it full. I did try two canes, but couldn't hold them up with one hand while I tied them together with the other. So went for three and jammed them together while i shoved soil into the tub.

I do'nt think it's a rose, at least nothing like the rose it was crowding - different leaf shape, arrangement, growth habit. If it survives, there's space in a corner now!

@ Dorjac - there are plenty of blue Geranium flowers out now, and the bees love htem. Also got some mauve-ish ones, the gardener said theyr'e the wild ones.

So glad you've got some geraniums - they are reliable, trouble free and gorgeous, and there are so many different ones as well. The little yellow flowers look like Welsh poppies.
The rose is beautiful and I bet its cheering to itself now it has room to spread itself a bit.
I can't think what the sapling is. Do the leaves have smooth edges or prickly ones - the latter is what it will have if its a mahonia but to me it looks too dainty for that. Could you possibly manage a photo of a small section of a branch showing a clear picture of at least one of the leaves including where it joins to the stem?

Looking at your earlier blog that corner looks as if it was really attractive at one time - pity it got neglected. Did you keep that lovely cheerful golden shrub? It looks like a lonicera that you can keep clipped to shape.

You deserve a medal for all the work you've done in such a relatively short time - we're all rootin' for you!

I thought a sucker too. A wild rose of some sort I expect, probably not worth keeping Fran to be honest. That corner looks lovely now! :))

my thought was/is its an ash seedling. the seeds get blown into nooks and crannies and suddenly spurt growth as if they have been there ages. probably in its 3rd year now!

SBG, we have three Ash trees in our Hedge! I'm guessing they were bird sown too, but I don't know how we're going to get rid of them. A job for the tree surgeon I think, when he comes to lower the hedge later in the year!

Does this leggy plant have thorns on it's stems= rose?

Or do the ends of the leaves feel prickly as with Mahonia Fran?

It may not survive prolonged drooping. So there is still the green bin option too!

Judging by the way Starlings have been ingesting our Mahonia berries they will be all over Brooklands where we live!

ash are wind blown, cant blame the birds.

I too think it is Ash, you did well to get it out with as much of the root as that, they are little b......s to get out once they get a hold. I found an oak growing in a border today it wasn't very big and I had a right tussle to get it out.

@ Steragram, they are Welsh Poppies, mixied in with the blue Geraniums, of which I also have plenty - and they're getting bigger all the time! not sure I *need* huge bushes of them, so when they die down I'll lift and split them, maybe some in pots or tubs and the others spread out a bit more. lol same goes for the Poppies!.

I did take some pics of "intruder" and rose leaves close together, so the differences could be marked; when I find them I'll post one. the leaves are spear-head shaped, sort of, very slightly ridged around the edges.

The yellow shrub was only alive at the last couple of inches of very long, tangled stems - the gardener said if I cut back to just abbove a bud it'd come back, so I'm hoping he's right. A lot of the branches were completely dead, but so tangled in with the almost-dead ones. And I found a shrub at the back that I never knew I had! so if it does come back i'll keep it smaller.

lol old saying - one day to weed, three days to recover!

@ CottageKaren – at first I thought it was a rose offshoot, but the stem’s different – dead straight, no branchlets or knobbly bits, no thorns, and different colour, and the leaves are different in colour, size, shape and layout. But at least I’ve given it a chance 

@ Seaburngirl – I’m not well up on trees, espacially baby ones. Wouldn’t mind if it were an Ash, one of my favourite trees for the mythology and superstitions surrounding it.

Wow, Karen, three in a hedge? And mature, or getting that way, by the sound of it.

@ Dorjac – no thorns or prickly leaves, stem is perfectly smooth and straight. Maybe the rain we’ve been having might revive it a bit, hope so. but the composter always awaits!

@ Oliveoil – it did seem reluctant to come out! And there was the paving very close and the rose close behind it to take into account, but I think I got it all out, or most of it, anyway.

Wow, an oak! Did you rehome it, or recycle it?

I have to back down on this matter of the tall thin thingy. I enlarged it on the ipad and it does look like a rose sucker. I see now it has a root at right angles to the main stem which attached it to the yellow rose perhaps. However it won't be like the lovely yellow rose Fran, so even more a candidate for the green bin perhaps?

No Fran it went into the bin. We are surrounded by Oak trees so no shortage of them here. lol :O)

thanks, Dorjac. I'll give it its chance anyway, which it doesn't seem eager to take up at the moemnt.

Ok, Olive - as they say, the fruit never falls far from the trees, so if you have kids parents can't be far away!

the bark is greyish; I still say ash. The compound leaf made of several leaflets.

I looked again today and agree with you Seaburngirl, the bark says Ash. :O)

I will find the leaf-comprison pics and post them asap.

the leaves are small leaflets on each side and one at the tip of the stepm, maye nine or so in all - closing my eyes trying to visualise.

If it is an Ash, how should I look after it? should it be mored somewhere shady, or shadier?

they will grow anywhere but become a large 60ft tree in time. they will grow in full sun as well as in semi shade in a clearing in a woodland until they shade everything else out.

If it can recover from being dug up Fran, when so tall. You could leave it in the pot it is in and prune it. If it is Ash and you cannot bring yourself to bin it. Give it enough water and occasional feed to keep healthy but well under control. If it goes in the ground it will quickly become a sapling and get out of your control.

Also Fran, do not plant anywhere near a building if you put it in the ground, best putting it in a hedgerow somewhere where it can develop roots that will not disrupt foundations of buildings or drains.

thanks Seaburn and Dorjac and Olive.

I'll leave it in the pot until it recovers - if! and then move it to a bigger one when it's filled this one.

Not sure about planting it out to grow undrestrained; got to think of the root-spread and shading neighbours. read somewhere that the roots extend as far as the branches, so it should be planted more than its mature size away from buildings - there was also a minor rant on GQT about people planting trees where there wasn't room for their mature size.

I don't like "bonsai" trees, even by accident, but letting it run rampant won't be a good idea, I think.

I remember you saying that before Fran but small trees that can't grow as big as they should do are a natural occurence in nature, where the wind and poor shallow soil will not allow them to reach full size. Bonsai is an extreme way of treating trees. We have a liquid amber tree between a hawthorn and a rowan and clipped to keep it in check. It should be much larger really but is kept in check. I like the leaves and the birds love to hide and twitter inside it.

lol I'll ask the tree - cremped or chopped up? think I know which it'd vote for. it's being artificially confined by being in a pot, but not root-clipped to stunt it any more than it has to be.

really, any tree or shrub growing in a garden is cramped - clipped back, pruned, whatever; has to be or it'd take oer the whole space. this is only an extension of that.

My first thought was that it's an Ash sapling, Fran. Any root you left behind will not grow so you needn't worry about that.

They do grow into big trees & in a fairly short number of years as well! If it survives in the pot you would do best to keep it in one.

Its hard to imagine anybody wanting to keep an ash seedling. Here they get pulled out and thrown away in huge quantities - they are even worse than sycamores. I love trees but only have a garden not apiece of woodland!
I'd lavish your TLC one something a bit smaller Fran.It will have to go eventually and the bigger it gets the harder it will be to dispose of it.

thanks for that, Balcony. I've got a bigger pot, which was left here by the previous - terracotta, so not light - but if it survives I might get a bigger one to move it up in steps.

Thanks, Stera. it might not need much more TLLC - the leaves and small branches were drooping badly today, so I cut them all off to see if it'd grow some mroe, staright. if not, problem sorted.